Ways & Means Committee

Monday, May 11, 2026, 10 a.m. (Boston time), Boston City Hall, 1 City Hall Square, Boston, MA 02201

Hearing on Dockets #0733-0740, FY27 Budget: BFD

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Summary

The Ways & Means Committee, chaired by Councilor Weber, held a hearing on the FY2027 operating budget for the Boston Fire Department (Dockets 0733 and 20740, sponsored by Mayor Wu). Fire Commissioner Rodney Marshall and department staff presented on grants, the cadet program, hybrid hiring, health and wellness initiatives, marine assets, training, and capital projects. A central concern raised by multiple councilors was the loss of a $1.4 million federal AFG grant that funded cancer screenings, body scans, and safety/health/wellness programs, with several councilors advocating for restoring that funding through a supplemental or other mechanism. Councilors also questioned the department on diversity hiring through the hybrid residency-based process, PFAS-free gear procurement, firehouse capital projects, contracted services cuts, and budget mechanics. Local 718 President Sam Dillon provided public testimony urging a $1.4–1.5 million supplemental for wellness initiatives.

Transcript

2:27 good morning.

2:29 My name is ben weber.

2:31 I'm the district six city

2:32 councilor in the chair of the

2:32 ways and means committee.

2:36 Uh, today is uh, MAY 11th, 2026

2:38 and the exact time is 1002.

2:40 So, uh, I just have a few

2:41 here.

2:41 preliminaries to get through

2:43 Uh, this hearing is being

2:43 recorded.

2:44 It's also being live streamed

2:49 at boston.Gov/city council tv

2:51 and broadcast on xfinity

2:52 channel eight rcn channel 82

2:54 and five channel 964.

2:56 The council's budget review

2:58 process encompasses a series

2:59 of public hearings beginning in

3:00 APRIL and running through JUNE.

3:02 We strongly encourage the

3:04 public to participate in our

3:06 hearings and they can give

3:08 testimony uh, for the record in

3:09 several ways.

3:11 Uh, first they can attend one

3:12 of our hearings and give public

3:13 testimony.

3:15 Uh, they can uh, either do that

3:17 in person or virtually via zoom

3:17 .

3:19 Uh, for a full hearing

3:20 schedule.

3:22 Uh, look at our website.

3:23 You can find it on boston gov.

3:25 Council budget.

3:28 We also have a in-person

3:29 listening session on the fourth

3:31 of four which will be thursday

3:33 evening MAY 26th at 6 P.M.

3:33 Right here in the chamber.

3:37 Um you can give uh, testimony

3:38 again in person in any of our

3:40 hearings or at the public

3:42 listening session or by zoom.

3:45 Uh, for in-person testimony,

3:46 please come to the chamber and

3:47 sign up on the sheet near the

3:47 entrance.

3:49 For virtual testimony, you can

3:51 sign up using our online form

3:52 at our council budget review

3:54 website or by emailing the

3:57 committee at ccw and at boston

3:59 gov or by emailing chris

4:04 mitchell on it's car marco u h

4:07 a n at boston gov.

4:08 When you are called to testify

4:10 please state your name uh your

4:11 residence and your affiliation

4:12 with any organization.

4:17 Uh and uh we will uh limit the

4:18 public comments to two minutes

4:21 each uh, in lieu of testifying

4:22 virtually or in person at a

4:23 hearing, you can email written

4:27 testimony to the committee at

4:28 squirm@boston.Gov.

4:30 Uh third you can submit a two

4:32 minute video of your testimony

4:34 through the form on our website

4:36 for more information on the

4:37 city council's budget process

4:39 and how to testify, please

4:41 visit the city council's budget

4:43 website at

4:45 boston.Com/council-budget again

4:46 in person and public testimony

4:48 will be taken following the

4:49 first round of counselor

4:51 questions, individuals be

4:52 called on the order in which

4:53 they have signed up and will

4:54 have two minutes to testify.

4:56 If you wish to sign up for

4:57 public testimony you haven't

4:59 done so uh again please email

5:01 or director of legislative

5:03 budget analysis karishma cho on

5:08 at chris marco, you hand at

5:09 boston.Com for the zoom link

5:10 and your name will be added to

5:11 the list.

5:13 This morning's hearing is on

5:17 docket numbers 073320740.

5:19 An overview of the fiscal year

5:21 2027 operating budget for the

5:23 boston fire department.

5:24 this is one in a series

5:25 of hearings to review the

5:28 fiscal year 2027 budget.

5:30 These matters were sponsored by

5:31 mayor michelle wu and referred

5:34 to the committee on APRIL 8th,

5:34 2026.

5:36 This morning I'm joined by my

5:37 colleagues in order of arrival.

5:40 Apologies to

5:41 councilor louijeune but I've

5:42 got councilor flynn first.

5:44 Uh, councilor louijeune second

5:46 and then councilor murphy.

5:50 Um uh, judge uh, well, we often

5:52 have opening statements that at

5:53 hearings like this where we're

5:54 waiving them in the budget

5:55 hearings.

5:57 So, uh, you'll hear from my

5:57 colleagues in a second.

5:59 I'm going to introduce the

5:59 panelists.

6:02 We're joined today by deputy

6:03 commissioner of administration

6:06 finance, uh, kevin coyne deputy

6:07 fire chief for the training

6:08 division.

6:10 Scott malone, uh, deputy

6:11 of operations field services

6:14 patrick ellis and for his first

6:16 hearing here as our uh as new

6:17 fire commissioner rodney

6:18 marshall.

6:20 Uh, again, uh, congratulations

6:20 .

6:24 And, uh, this is a an

6:26 interesting way to start uh,

6:27 but, uh um.

6:31 I'm sorry.

6:32 So, you know, it's someone

6:32 okay.

6:34 I apologize.

6:36 Can you just tell me your name

6:38 so I get it to get it right?

6:38 Uh.

6:42 Gaskins gaskins I'm the

6:43 recruitment officer for the

6:44 department.

6:44 Okay.

6:46 first name michael.

6:46 Michael.

6:47 Okay.

6:47 Thank you.

6:48 Okay.

6:49 we're joined with michael

6:50 gaskins recruiting officers at

6:51 ,uh.

6:52 Recruitment recruitment

6:53 officer.

6:54 Recruitment officer for the

6:55 boston fire department.

6:55 Okay.

6:55 Thank you very much.

6:58 Uh, and again welcome.

7:00 Uh, so I don't know if you have

7:02 a presentation uh, or comments

7:04 so I'm going to give the floor

7:05 to the panelists and we'll go

7:06 to my colleagues for questions.

7:09 Thank you chair weber.

7:11 Good morning everyone.

7:13 Good morning.

7:15 I would like to thank millwall

7:16 for continued support of the

7:17 boston fire department.

7:19 Now I would like to thank the

7:21 office of budget management for

7:22 the assistance in the budget in

7:23 the budget process.

7:26 I'd also like to thank deputy

7:29 commissioner kevin coyne and

7:30 his team for the tireless work

7:31 that they do throughout the

7:32 year to keep the department

7:34 financially responsible.

7:35 I'd like to thank the panelists

7:37 here today with us chief

7:38 of operations pat ellis,

7:41 recruitment officer michael

7:43 gaskins, uh, grant manager

7:45 julie devon, uh, safety, health

7:47 and wellness deputy chief julie

7:48 shay.

7:52 Uh uh, chief and and hazmat

7:53 chief keith kelly.

7:58 And uh, that that's it for our

7:59 panelists today.

8:00 Thank you again.

8:02 Chia webb and the members

8:03 of the men's and women's

8:04 committee for holding this

8:05 hearing today.

8:09 I'd like to also thank, uh,

8:11 councilor and flynn,

8:13 councilors, uh, erin murphy and

8:16 uh, we'll see you on the shin.

8:19 Excuse me for the

8:19 mispronunciation.

8:23 Uh, the primary mission of the

8:24 boston fire department is to

8:25 provide the residents and

8:27 visitors of the city with the

8:28 highest level of fire

8:29 protection and emergency

8:30 services.

8:32 Every day our firefighters,

8:33 officers and dedicated civilian

8:35 employees work together to

8:36 protect the lives, properties

8:38 and neighborhoods of a wide

8:40 range of hazardous while

8:41 adapting to the growing demands

8:43 placed on the mod on a modified

8:45 fire department.

8:48 We are cognizant of the current

8:48 fiscal constraints facing the

8:50 city of boston.

8:51 We remain committed to

8:52 identifying efficiencies and

8:54 reducing expenses across all

8:56 areas of our operations in

8:57 order to make meaningful

8:59 contributions to the city.

9:01 Our city's overall fiscal

9:01 health.

9:04 Over the past decade, the base

9:05 of fire department's operating

9:06 budget has remained largely

9:07 level funded.

9:08 During the same period, the

9:10 cost of delivering emergency

9:12 service services has steadily

9:12 increased.

9:15 Rising equipment and apparatus

9:16 costs, contractual obligations

9:17 and collective bargaining

9:20 agreements and expanding

9:21 complexities of emergency

9:23 response have all placed

9:24 additional strains on the

9:24 operating budget.

9:27 More recently more recently,

9:29 reductions in state funding for

9:31 firefighter training has

9:32 required the department to

9:33 absorb costs that were

9:35 previously supported through

9:35 external sources.

9:38 In addition, the department has

9:40 made important investments to

9:41 ensure that its long term

9:44 strength and sustainability

9:45 including the establishment

9:46 of the fire cadet program.

9:49 This program is essential to

9:51 developing the next generation

9:52 of firefighters and maintaining

9:54 a diverse, well-trained

9:54 workforce.

9:57 But it also represents a new

9:58 and necessary budgetary

9:59 commitment.

10:03 The funding request before you

10:04 reflects a careful and

10:05 responsible assessment of the

10:07 department's operational needs.

10:10 It is designed not to expand

10:12 beyond necessity but to

10:13 preserve service levels,

10:15 maintain readiness and ensure

10:16 that our members have the

10:18 training, equipment and support

10:20 required to do their job safely

10:21 and effectively.

10:23 As fire commissioner of city

10:26 of boston, I respectfully

10:27 request that the funding

10:29 outlined in the budget proposal

10:31 be approved and we are hopeful

10:33 that we can answer your

10:33 questions.

10:33 Thank you.

10:36 okay.

10:38 Uh, thank you very much.

10:41 Uh, we're going to go to uh my

10:43 colleagues who were rivals that

10:44 that that's the the end of that

10:45 .

10:45 Sorry.

10:47 I we do have a presentation

10:47 .

10:49 CHAIRMAN Weber if we wanted to

10:49 go to that first.

10:50 Yes, please.

10:52 And it's just a short

10:53 presentation just to highlight

10:54 the work that's being done.

10:57 Uh, we understand that, uh, the

10:58 office of budget management has

10:59 submitted to, uh, through the

11:01 rfp process all the documents

11:02 for the annual budget

11:03 submission this year.

11:05 We are here today to answer

11:07 those questions, but we thought

11:08 it would be a good opportunity

11:09 for us to highlight, you know,

11:10 some of the critical work that

11:11 we're doing.

11:13 Um, that as a result of the

11:15 funding that we received the

11:16 city of boston, the budget

11:17 office and city council.

11:18 yeah, that would be great to

11:19 do the presentation.

11:20 I forgot to remind the

11:20 panelists.

11:22 Uh, you don't have to press the

11:22 buttons.

11:24 Uh, we have central staff can

11:25 can operate that.

11:25 Okay.

11:27 Complicated apparatus but uh

11:29 um, so who wants to.

11:31 I can take that.

11:31 Ready?

11:31 Okay.

11:32 Yes.

11:33 So the next slide please.

11:36 So this is just really just a

11:37 tagline.

11:38 Uh, from the boston fire

11:38 department.

11:40 We're an organization

11:41 of dedicated professionals who

11:43 are committed to serving the

11:44 community by protecting life

11:46 property in the environment

11:48 through prevention, education,

11:49 emergency medical, civil

11:50 defense and fire service.

11:52 We protect all boston residents

11:54 and the hundreds of thousands

11:56 of people who work, shop and

11:57 visit and call the city

11:58 of boston home.

12:00 The boston fire department is

12:01 commonly referred to as the

12:02 first in the nation.

12:04 Next, please.

12:11 So this, uh, document and

12:12 luckily I have my subject

12:14 matter expert in julie dublin

12:15 who can answer any questions

12:16 you might have related to the

12:16 grants.

12:18 So currently we are recipient

12:20 of eight active federal grant

12:22 grants through the department

12:26 of um dhs and fema, bj boston

12:28 jobs alliance consumer product

12:29 safety commission and the

12:31 department of transportation

12:33 totaling $1.8 million in

12:34 federal monies.

12:36 Uh, the grants make up uh one

12:38 is the peer support program

12:39 which provides clinical

12:41 director and chief training

12:43 within our organization.

12:45 The next one is marine

12:47 firefighting and land based, uh

12:48 ,firefighting commitment

12:49 training and control.

12:52 Uh another offshoot of that is

12:54 marine firefighting for land

12:54 based.

12:56 Uh, we have another grant that

12:57 funds the hot work.

13:00 Training and hot work has been

13:01 particularly important for the

13:02 boston fire department.

13:04 Um, because that terrible

13:05 tragedy that occurred on beacon

13:07 street was a direct result

13:08 of that which, you know,

13:10 changed the legislation and how

13:11 hot work is done.

13:12 And you know, we're very

13:13 cognizant of the ongoing

13:14 training that needs to be done

13:15 about that.

13:17 Um, the next one is purchase

13:18 and installation of carbon

13:20 monoxide detectors with

13:21 education and outreach.

13:23 We've been doing that for just

13:25 over a year very successful in

13:26 some of the neighborhoods we've

13:27 completed.

13:29 Um, a large installation in

13:30 chinatown and most recently

13:33 another successful campaign in

13:34 hyde park in mattapan.

13:36 Um, another grant that we've

13:38 received and worked diligently

13:40 on is the boston fire

13:42 accreditation.

13:42 department forensic lab

13:44 Um, previously our lab was not

13:44 accredited.

13:46 So this work will allow us to,

13:49 you know, uh, will ensure that

13:50 all of the, uh, work that we're

13:52 doing in terms of arson

13:54 investigation is fully vetted

13:56 and secure within the city

13:56 of boston.

13:58 Um archives.

14:00 Um, and the other one is

14:02 command level training and, um

14:04 it's really just multi-agency.

14:06 It's how we can work better

14:07 together with multiple agencies

14:08 across the city of boston.

14:10 Next slide please.

14:14 There.

14:16 Um, so the other grants that

14:18 we're received was six active

14:20 state grants that we receive.

14:22 Um, two of them are earmarks

14:24 that we received is hazmat

14:24 training.

14:27 It's $1.4 million and the

14:28 second one is the department

14:31 fire training academy grant for

14:32 $1.7 million.

14:34 Um, both of those have been

14:36 instrumental in the success

14:39 of the training that the hazmat

14:40 folks conduct and as well as

14:41 the training academy, um, on

14:43 the island would be actually

14:44 lost without those.

14:45 Another earmark that we

14:47 received was a legislative

14:49 authority, uh, which allowed us

14:52 last summer to um, have a

14:54 dedicated delta car in the

14:56 south boston uh, castle island

14:58 castle and beach area to

15:00 provide to any medical

15:02 emergency or um any critical

15:03 incident that occurred and that

15:04 was very successful last year.

15:07 Um another one we have is the

15:09 fire alarm dispatch which

15:12 provides education and um for

15:13 the fire alarm division to make

15:14 sure they're completely up to

15:16 date with the changing

15:18 technology and all the works

15:18 that they do.

15:21 Um, another offshoot of that is

15:23 the personnel which is the cad

15:24 which you know, supports fire

15:26 alarm which also willington

15:29 with ems and boston police

15:30 department and you know the

15:32 training uh which has been

15:33 somewhat new which has been

15:35 very successful this year is an

15:37 elevator rescue kit, um uh

15:39 training exercise that has been

15:41 conducted for the department.

15:42 Next slide please.

15:47 So again I'm I'm grateful to

15:49 work with really talented and

15:51 educated people that, um,

15:52 really can help support the

15:53 work of the fire department.

15:56 Um, the fire department is

15:59 extremely committed to, uh, the

16:00 diversity of the department in